
đ§ Ira Koyner Featured on the Influential Entrepreneurs Podcast, Episode 2
A powerful conversation with Ira Koyner on the fundamentals of investing at Triathlon Partners: Volatility vs. Diversification.
In this episode of the Influential Entrepreneurs podcast, Ira Koynerâfounder of Triathlon Partnersâdives into the true purpose of investment diversification: limiting losses and creating more consistent long-term returns.
While many investors and advisors assume diversification means simply owning a wide variety of assets, Ira challenges that notion. He explains how holding dozens of mutual funds and ETFs often results in overlapping positions and high correlationsâleaving portfolios more exposed than expected during market selloffs.
Instead, Ira advocates for using strategies and products specifically designed to reduce volatility and protect against downturns.
Tune in to discover how to build a truly diversified portfolio and avoid some of the most common mistakes in portfolio construction.
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đĄ What Youâll Learn from This Episode
- â Why owning dozens of mutual funds and ETFs may not provide real diversification
- đ How true diversification is rooted in managing volatility, not just mixing asset classes
- đ The role of loss-limiting products like RILAs, indexed annuities, and IULs in portfolio protection
- đ§ How to educate clients about volatility using visual tools like bell curves and simulations
- đ Why fewer, high-quality holdings often outperform portfolios packed with redundant products
- đĄ How to align your portfolio with your financial goalsânot just traditional allocation models
- đ§Ÿ Tax-smart diversification strategies for high-income individuals and recently divorced clients
- đ Roth IRA conversion tips: when to do it, how much to convert, and how to avoid tax pitfalls
- đĄ Why the âdream houseâ analogy can help investors grasp the concept of quality over quantity
- đŻ The ultimate purpose of diversification: to stay in control of your retirement timeline
In this thought-provoking episode of Influential Entrepreneurs, Ira Koyner returns to challenge long-standing assumptions about diversification and redefine what it truly means to build a resilient investment portfolio.
Beyond the Surface: What Diversification Isnât
Many investors assume theyâre diversified because they own dozens of mutual funds and ETFs. But as Ira explains, these products often hold similar underlying assetsâleading to redundancy, not protection. âHaving 30 or 40 funds doesnât reduce your risk,â he says. âIt just complicates your portfolio.â
Instead of focusing on quantity, Ira urges a focus on volatility management. Diversification isnât about how many products you ownâitâs about owning the right mix of assets that behave differently under various market conditions.
The Role of Volatility
Traditional 60/40 stock-bond allocations may no longer offer the buffer investors expect. Ira argues that true diversification should reduce portfolio losses, especially during down markets. That requires incorporating low-volatility products with built-in protectionsâlike floors that limit downside risk.
Registered Index-Linked Annuities (RILAs)
Fixed Indexed Annuities
Indexed Universal Life (IUL) policies
Structured notes
These solutions offer equity-like gains but with greater protection during downturnsâkeeping investors more confident and on track toward their goals.
Educating Clients: Making Volatility Understandable
Rather than overwhelming clients with technical jargon, Ira uses visualsâlike bell curves and historical simulationsâto demonstrate how low-volatility products can smooth out returns. Once clients see the difference, they better understand why minimizing volatility is essential to long-term success.
Quality Over Quantity
A key theme throughout the episode: fewer, higher-quality holdings lead to better outcomes. Ira typically builds portfolios using just 5â7 carefully selected strategies, each offering a unique contribution to risk management and growth.
âWould you rather own your dream house, or three average homes you donât love?â Ira asks. The same principle applies to your investments: focus on quality, not just diversification by volume.
Tax Efficiency: A Hidden Lever for Long-Term Wealth
For high-income earnersâespecially post-divorceâIra emphasizes tax-aware investing. He discusses:
- Using tax-deferred products to minimize income taxes
- Keeping coupon-bearing investments in tax-advantaged accounts
- Allocating capital-gains assets to taxable accounts for step-up basis advantages
- Strategically converting traditional retirement accounts to Roth IRAs
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âTaxes are always there,â Ira reminds listeners. âBut if I can save my clients money on the way in, during, or on the way out, weâre already several steps ahead.â
Key Takeaway
The episode closes with a powerful truth:
âThe goal of diversification is to reduce volatilityânot to collect products. If your portfolio drops right before retirement, youâre not in controlâthe market is. The right strategy ensures you stay on your timeline.â

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